Gt500 msrp

[leachdor]

Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone has read anything or if statements have been made about the availability of the 2010 GT500. Been saving up, and won't have a problem paying cash now but I'm concerned this is going to be yet another "limited" edition with $25,000 markups past the initial new car premium period. I'm a die hard ford fan on the edge about getting a new pony, but I'm gonna flip if every new mustang they have is a limited run.

If its that important to have limited editions, how come the camaro SS isn't one?? If Chevy can put out a car like the SS off a line regularly, why can't we get one cranked out like the GT500?

(Personally I could care less if it had "Shelby" embroidered all over my new cobra, replace all that by "SVT" and cut the name premium and mass crank them out eesh!)

[chiefstang]

This has been touched on here before, and the basic problem is supply and demand. When everybody wants a car, people are going to be upset in one of two ways: The can't get the car because it's sold out, or they can pay a premium and drive one home that day. People accuse dealers of "gouging", which isn't the case. They are simply selling it for market conditions. If they sell it for sticker, and you can turn around and put it on E-bay for $10,000 over MSRP, why would the dealer sell it short to you? Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Suggested. Nobody has a problem when the dealer discounts their profit off of sticker and sells it under MSRP. Happens 99% of the time. Every once in awhile, a car breaks that norm. This is that car, which brings me to your question:

Should the Shelby be a limited production vehicle? Yes. The Camaro will have it's limited edition models, as will the Challenger, Corvette, and even the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Right off the bat, the GT500's engine is handbuilt, which limits production. But even if they could produce more they should not. They build 9,000 a year, with 1,000 allocated to be KRs. That's quite a few. The problem getting them comes from them having Corvette performance, for Corvette money, but adding Shelby exclusivity. The Joneses ain't gonna have this car. Getting rid of Shelby's name and putting SVT on it wouldn't cut the costs of the handbuilt engine, or various other development funds enough to make the car any cheaper or easier to build.

If you want performance for less, you can always put a Ford Racing supercharger on a GT, and have 500 hp, but then you're just driving a Mustang... Not a Shelby.


For the record: Chevy has not put one single SS down the line yet, at any cost.

[leachdor]

Appreciate the response and you do make some good points...just to play devils advocate though...and we're all on the same team on this forum.

The can't get the car because it's sold out, or they can pay a premium and drive one home that day.
Correct, that's what I'd call the "initial new car premium period." To get past this I don't mind waiting, I don't really care when it happens just that it can fairly.

I also mentioned that the dealers themselves bought them out as soon as they got them in. That was back during that initial premium period. With tail end s/n's in dealerships now, there isn't as much demand else they would be gone I'd think. But the pricing still is well over MSRP as of 2 months ago...I've not been in since. To boot all you hear on the news is that no one wants cars...that emphasizes the lack of demand even more than typical..but price still doesn't deflate. What does that imply?

Should the Shelby be a limited production vehicle? Yes.
Agreed, if and only if Ford's own SVT can produce a vehicle thats comparable to the lineup of the competitors. (We have pride to defend eh?) Since SVT doesn't have one, the Shelby is considered the upper trim of the group. The KR should be the "special" edition that matches the camaro's limited edition in my opinion, this would give an extra "bump" and exclusivity that some want. My concern is...Camaro has the SS which isn't a special edition...it will have them, but the SS itself is a production line. They can satisfy those who don't care about special editions and just brand loyalty AND those who want that special model. If I have ford blood in me and it makes me sick to have my GT pull up to a V6 camaro and have it keep up, the only option I have to match them is the Shelby.

If you want performance for less, you can always put a Ford Racing supercharger on a GT, and have 500 hp, but then you're just driving a Mustang... Not a Shelby.
Its an option I'm open to. I want performance, and am willing to pay for it, but I don't really care about the extra premium for having someones name etched in my seats. I WANT to drive "Just a mustang" made in a Ford plant, on a line that would employ hundreds of production employees and who knows how many engineers.


Getting rid of Shelby's name and putting SVT on it wouldn't cut the costs of the handbuilt engine
I don't need the Shelby name for me to believe its a good product. When it comes out those Ford doors that's all the proof I need that its got good QA whether it be handmade or not. We are a nation of innovation, we can use technology for the manufacturing process for repeated precision. For me, it doesn't loose anything special, people who were just as skilled with their minds have to implement the line changes as those skilled with their hands at Shelby. Only when its done, the premium wears off after 6 months to a year. Its MSRP still makes it exclusive, the name Shelby just gets taken advantage of

I understand all that Shelby has done for Ford, and he should continue, but I also think Ford shouldn't outsource its highest tier of the mustang line.

[chiefstang]

I have a 2009 GT500 convertible on my showroom floor I will sell you for sticker, maybe even less. No markup. It's Vapor with a black top.

I can see where you're coming from, I often hear from frustrated customers about this. There is a dealer in town here who has been selling GT500s for invoice since they came out. She was taking about 50 deposites a year, and putting people "on the list". Problem is, she only got 3-4 a year, and took alot of people out of the market with no way to fill the orders. I talked to more than a few people who were "on the list" for over two years before asking for their deposit back, and driving mine home for a bump in price.

Back to your main point, though: I really don't think you're paying any more for the car because it is a Shelby. If it were just an SVT Cobra, it would still cost the same. This car doesn't compete with the Camaro. It competes with the Vette, and is priced as such. The Camaro is a brand new car, and the Mustang is four years old. The Camaro will out accelerate the Mustang for one year, and no more. Our direct injected V6 will keep up with their V6, and maybe even beat it with the weight difference. I won't even mention the Eco Boost V6, and of course next summer the Mustang GT will have the new 5 liter with 400 hp. Couple that with 400lbs of weight savings, and your GT will beat the Camaro, and for about $6,000-$8,000 less. The GT500, however, posts near identical lap times as the Corvette, and is priced to compete with that.

Don't worry, Ford has more in store for the GT that will keep you ahead of the Bowtie boys and the Mopar mulletts, but they are all coming out with their new stuff this year. Next year will be ours. Also for the record, the Mustang will likely outsell the Camaro and Challenger combined. I wish they put the new 5 liter in the 2010 with the new body, but one year will be worth the wait.

[leachdor]

Appreciate the offer. Never been into the vapor (gray) colors on cars. I think I associate them with overstock. Weird I know, almost everyone I know that bought used or ones that have been restored have all been that silver color lol. Its kinda like selecting "default" but to its credit, with the black stripes it looks pretty slick.

Just curious but...I read an article on here awhile back about letting your insurance know if you drive a modified vehicle. The more I think about it, you know the premium paid for a Shelby might balance out with the premium (and raised eyebrow) your insurance company is going to give you when asking to have a sports car with aftermarket blower installed.

Has anyone had any experience with what sort of bump you typically see from insurance when adding on drive train parts like this?